Defeated country still has army

williamdice · Sep 2nd 2021, 12:20pm

I am at war with a country with no cities and no territories. They have had a large army just sat in one of my territories for a few days now. Should I worry about them? I don't want to waste troops killing them so can I just ignore them or do I need to leave troops nearby in case they wake up?

Exras · Sep 2nd 2021, 1:26pm

I mean yes and no, the player most likely gave up and achieved the game you are in, but their is a chance they are waiting it out and will come back and attack you when you go offline. I would recommend taking them our with some artillery or helicopters or the best way in my opinion on taking our any ground troop is using a stack of strike fighters.

Kalrakh · Sep 2nd 2021, 1:27pm

AI stop working, as soon they lost all their provinces and cities.

If it was a player, he in theory could return and use them, though not that likely.

booombooom · Sep 2nd 2021, 1:29pm

The dead do not rise again unless you apply some serious kind of black magic.

The Pale Rider · Sep 2nd 2021, 6:37pm

AI will move them against you. May take two days of inactivity by user before AI takes over. Take them out via airstrike or artillery.

Kalrakh · Sep 2nd 2021, 8:46pm

Buckeyechamp wrote:

AI will move them against you. May take two days of inactivity by user before AI takes over. Take them out via airstrike or artillery.

No AI if no country is left

DOA70 · Sep 3rd 2021, 2:19am

Build a single artillery and plink em until they dead.

Tom_Cruise · Sep 3rd 2021, 10:52pm

The player could still be around, but just a bit clueless about how to hide his units. So you'll need to take them out from range to avoid him sending a large stack into one of your home cities!

Dealer of Death · Sep 4th 2021, 11:31pm

Kalrakh wrote:

Buckeyechamp wrote:

AI will move them against you. May take two days of inactivity by user before AI takes over. Take them out via airstrike or artillery.

No AI if no country is left

I have a case where Benelux still has 1 city, and 2 other territories, with 3 units (2 infantry and a towed artillery) sitting in my territory not moving. I have extended RoW to Benelux in the hope he would move said units, but they just sit there. NOTE: I have never been at war with Benelux.

SO, here we have a situation where the A.I. has seemingly dies WITH Territories, a City AND Units.
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Kalrakh · Sep 5th 2021, 12:32am

The AI has no reason to move them though?

KFGauss · Sep 5th 2021, 12:44am

Kalrakh wrote:

The AI has no reason to move them though?

Amplifying what K wrote,

*If* the AI has to obey the same rules players do, moving those units that are stuck on your side of a province will trigger an automatic war declaration, and the AI *might* have logic that tells it to avoid doing that.

Dealer of Death · Sep 5th 2021, 1:45am

KFGauss wrote:

Kalrakh wrote:

The AI has no reason to move them though?

Amplifying what K wrote,
*If* the AI has to obey the same rules players do, moving those units that are stuck on your side of a province will trigger an automatic war declaration, and the AI *might* have logic that tells it to avoid doing that.

Please read more thoroughly. I said "I have extended RoW to Benelux in the hope he would move said units" so you see, that is not the case. He can move freely in my territory.

Kalrakh · Sep 5th 2021, 1:59am

Not sure if having only one city already is enough to disable AI, after all 1 city countries have no AI from the start, as far as I know.

How ever it could just be, that the AI sees no reason to move those troops. Or that the AI can't move them because they are not in the center of a province and therefore do not get recognized.

You could test the 'liveliness' of AI, by shooting on the stack with one artillery and see if they move then, I suppose.

The Pale Rider · Sep 5th 2021, 2:28am

It has been experience AI makes it easy to beat late in game. Like if country leaves 5 stack of armor/1 inf it could easily cause you issues but it breaks apart 1 armr at a time in adjacent provinences. Or if have big stack in city and shell with ship...AI leaves 1 unit in city and rest try to escap via sea and commit suicide running into ship.

Dealer of Death · Sep 5th 2021, 3:46am

Buckeyechamp wrote:

It has been experience AI makes it easy to beat late in game. Like if country leaves 5 stack of armor/1 inf it could easily cause you issues but it breaks apart 1 armr at a time in adjacent provinences. Or if have big stack in city and shell with ship...AI leaves 1 unit in city and rest try to escap via sea and commit suicide running into ship.

While the suicide runs from coastal cities by the A.I. are still a thing, another thing you missed is they tweaked the A.I.'s aggressiveness and intellect a bit. Now, when taking over for a player, the A.I. will keep pumping out infantry, Recon vehichles and AFVs if the player had that tech when they left. It can make things a chore now late game, not hard, but more time consuming to clear out an A.I. country left alone for most of the game.

KFGauss · Sep 5th 2021, 6:46am

Dealer of Death wrote:

KFGauss wrote:

Kalrakh wrote:

The AI has no reason to move them though?

Amplifying what K wrote,*If* the AI has to obey the same rules players do, moving those units that are stuck on your side of a province will trigger an automatic war declaration, and the AI *might* have logic that tells it to avoid doing that.

Please read more thoroughly. I said "I have extended RoW to Benelux in the hope he would move said units" so you see, that is not the case. He can move freely in my territory.

K - You're exactly right - My bad.

Although . . . For RoW to take effect, does the other player have to accept it??? If they do, then the AI might not be smart enough (or motivated enough) to accept your offer?

And - If I'm wrong about the other player needing to accept an RoW offer - Then I give up, and I'll stop embarrassing myself.

KFG

Kalrakh · Sep 5th 2021, 11:37am

You only need both sides RoW, if you want to enter his territory too.

Dealer of Death · Sep 5th 2021, 7:42pm

KFGauss wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

KFGauss wrote:

Kalrakh wrote:

The AI has no reason to move them though?

Amplifying what K wrote,*If* the AI has to obey the same rules players do, moving those units that are stuck on your side of a province will trigger an automatic war declaration, and the AI *might* have logic that tells it to avoid doing that.

Please read more thoroughly. I said "I have extended RoW to Benelux in the hope he would move said units" so you see, that is not the case. He can move freely in my territory.

K - You're exactly right - My bad.
Although . . . For RoW to take effect, does the other player have to accept it??? If they do, then the AI might not be smart enough (or motivated enough) to accept your offer?

And - If I'm wrong about the other player needing to accept an RoW offer - Then I give up, and I'll stop embarrassing myself.

KFG

The Diplomacy screen shows him with RoW in my territory.

Dealer of Death · Sep 5th 2021, 7:43pm

Kalrakh wrote:

You only need both sides RoW, if you want to enter his territory too.

Oh, Ima gonna enter his territory alright, right after I finish off West Germany

DOA70 · Sep 5th 2021, 9:42pm

Dealer of Death wrote:

KFGauss wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

KFGauss wrote:

Kalrakh wrote:

The AI has no reason to move them though?

Amplifying what K wrote,*If* the AI has to obey the same rules players do, moving those units that are stuck on your side of a province will trigger an automatic war declaration, and the AI *might* have logic that tells it to avoid doing that.

Please read more thoroughly. I said "I have extended RoW to Benelux in the hope he would move said units" so you see, that is not the case. He can move freely in my territory.

K - You're exactly right - My bad.Although . . . For RoW to take effect, does the other player have to accept it??? If they do, then the AI might not be smart enough (or motivated enough) to accept your offer?

And - If I'm wrong about the other player needing to accept an RoW offer - Then I give up, and I'll stop embarrassing myself.

KFG

The Diplomacy screen shows him with RoW in my territory.

Did that country start off as a player or was it AI from the start? If the former, maybe the AI never took over as the player has SC? If not, then I think you found a great example of a flaw in the "logic" the AI uses to play the game.

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