Have I been doing navy all wrong?

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    • Have I been doing navy all wrong?

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      All Shall Eventually Fall

    • LastLiving wrote:

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      Rarely defend occupied territory besides on "The Front" . Ideally start with back to wall so to speak and tackle potential threats as I expand. 98 pct later in game if someone attacks you they are hitting homeland in a "surprise" attack.

      Now last game I expanded my Navy perimeter to basically block off all Indian ocean and 2/3rd of pacific. Don't worry about defending a port; but rather defend an area with choke points that could protect vast areas of territory. Later in game if waiting at a port its too late. This is an extreme example as faced major threats from all directions; but i would know 2000 miles before anyone got close to my homeland. Outside picture land / air forces were heading through central asia. At this point thought invasion from africa / suez canal so fell back a bit. if not so many threats would have pivoted some ships closer to persian gulf to defend India.

      See this as example of last game.
      navy.jpg
      "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "

      aka ...The killer formerly known as BuckeyeChamp

    • LastLiving wrote:

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      In my 8 public games (so far) I've had to fend off a surprise attack on captured or home cities exactly zero times. That streak won't last forever, but until it does, I'll continue using my troops to quickly attack enemy cities more than I use them to try to defend the dozens I capture.

      Every CoN decision is a compromise. In public games it's generally (not always) possible to tilt those compromises strongly toward offense instead of defense.

      I think that's what you're noticing when you look at the screenshots.

    • Buckeyechamp wrote:

      LastLiving wrote:

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      Rarely defend occupied territory besides on "The Front" . Ideally start with back to wall so to speak and tackle potential threats as I expand. 98 pct later in game if someone attacks you they are hitting homeland in a "surprise" attack.
      Now last game I expanded my Navy perimeter to basically block off all Indian ocean and 2/3rd of pacific. Don't worry about defending a port; but rather defend an area with choke points that could protect vast areas of territory. Later in game if waiting at a port its too late. This is an extreme example as faced major threats from all directions; but i would know 2000 miles before anyone got close to my homeland. Outside picture land / air forces were heading through central asia. At this point thought invasion from africa / suez canal so fell back a bit. if not so many threats would have pivoted some ships closer to persian gulf to defend India.

      See this as example of last game.
      navy.jpg
      Doesn't a setup like that just risk accidental war if someone goes through your perimeter points on route elsewhere?

    • No if I put out notice any blue blips coming at me will be considered hostile and fired upon. Once you sink a half dozen ships they tend to stay out of your yard. Why would anyone not intending harm need to approach this area?

      I did have Norway have 1 corvette sight seeing by antartica... so did msg and escort him out of area. After that put Article out not to enter unless they wanted war. In war there are no international waters; In WW2 what do you think would happen to any unidentified ship heading towards the USA?
      "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "

      aka ...The killer formerly known as BuckeyeChamp

    • Buckeyechamp wrote:

      LastLiving wrote:

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      Rarely defend occupied territory besides on "The Front" . Ideally start with back to wall so to speak and tackle potential threats as I expand. 98 pct later in game if someone attacks you they are hitting homeland in a "surprise" attack.
      Now last game I expanded my Navy perimeter to basically block off all Indian ocean and 2/3rd of pacific. Don't worry about defending a port; but rather defend an area with choke points that could protect vast areas of territory. Later in game if waiting at a port its too late. This is an extreme example as faced major threats from all directions; but i would know 2000 miles before anyone got close to my homeland. Outside picture land / air forces were heading through central asia. At this point thought invasion from africa / suez canal so fell back a bit. if not so many threats would have pivoted some ships closer to persian gulf to defend India.

      See this as example of last game.
      navy.jpg
      I see. What if while sleeping, someone is able to get through your defences, and takes your land?
      All Shall Eventually Fall

    • KFGauss wrote:

      LastLiving wrote:

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      In my 8 public games (so far) I've had to fend off a surprise attack on captured or home cities exactly zero times. That streak won't last forever, but until it does, I'll continue using my troops to quickly attack enemy cities more than I use them to try to defend the dozens I capture.
      Every CoN decision is a compromise. In public games it's generally (not always) possible to tilt those compromises strongly toward offense instead of defense.

      I think that's what you're noticing when you look at the screenshots.
      0? I'm probably just too scared that someone will ram full stacks at me and reach my homeland while I'm sleeping.
      All Shall Eventually Fall

    • Buckeyechamp wrote:

      No if I put out notice any blue blips coming at me will be considered hostile and fired upon. Once you sink a half dozen ships they tend to stay out of your yard. Why would anyone not intending harm need to approach this area?

      I did have Norway have 1 corvette sight seeing by antartica... so did msg and escort him out of area. After that put Article out not to enter unless they wanted war. In war there are no international waters; In WW2 what do you think would happen to any unidentified ship heading towards the USA?
      "Why would anyone not intending harm need to approach this area?" - Because that's a pretty large area you're claiming dominion over, especially to the East where the US would expect to be able to pass. Someone posting on the news that they've fenced off a region this large, would make me attack them for the sheer balls of it :) . I wouldn't even punch through to the homeland. I'd see it as an invitation to whittle away your forces as I'd expect any perimeter that large to be lightly guarded at each point as it would serve more as a recon network. I'd just harass one side of the perimeter line non stop with concentrated force for easy 1 v 1 battles until you got bored of maintaining it or it got too costly to do so. If enough holes open up, then proceed to the homeland undetected.

      "In war there are no international waters; In WW2 what do you think would happen to any unidentified ship heading towards the USA?" - Don't understand your logic here. If there are no international waters & therefore one can park ships wherever they want, why would the US have beef with encroaching ships?

    • LastLiving wrote:

      Looking through this forum, in pictures of games, I have never seen someone trying to defend occupied naval cities, and instead just leaving it to invasion. However, I usually just get corvettes and put them in occupied naval cities to defend. When I annex a naval city, I treat it like homeland and use stronger naval units to defend, which is another thing. I don't see anyone leaving ships in cities, but spreading them around the ocean. What if someone attacks you, and easily takes your homeland cities and capital? Am I not understanding something?

      :?:
      I'm a navy player and a defensive player. Below is a screenshot of one of my games where I have a ship guarding an occupied city port not far from my homeland. I have other current games where I'm also doing that with a captured port city or two, and it's a common practice for me. So, now you've seen it.

      That being said, I wouldn't say it's something I generally do with captured port cities. I really only do it to protect my homeland from invasion, as you said. To use a comparable set of examples:

      If I'm playing as Philippines, do I leave a ship sitting in Hong Kong to keep folks from invading my holdings in former China? I don't.

      If I'm playing as Morocco, though, I'd probably put a ship in Oran so that foreign invaders can't just pop right in next door and then march into my country.

      So, if you're asking if I guard every captured port city, I do not. If you're asking if I sometimes/often guard very nearby captured port cities to keep my homeland from being easily invaded? I do.

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    • Buckeyechamp wrote:

      Dude .. whittle down what. By this time only 4 real players and why in hells bells would US A byspass Asia and sail to Africa or Mideast?? Have you ever won a game?
      Whittle down your navy man. It'ss spread out over numerous multiple points so it's easier to chip away at.

      Plenty of reasons why US would need to sail westwards. Maybe not if only 4 players left but was commenting on your setup in general.

    • Kalrakh wrote:

      I do not annex coastal cities, as long there are safer cities available

      In general I do not care that much about defending occupied cities

      Any serious attacker will not be stopped by a lowly corv anyway
      Exactly; if i get to your coast the parties over ;) Only thing 1 corvette does is block transports (And anyone who blindly sends transports across the sea is going to lose anyways.)

      Although last game deploying vettes as deep ocean "sonar buoys" paid off. One night it snagged 17 transport units..lol. took out half of peru. Another in Indian ocean caught a Aircraft carrier and obviously didnt have HP to take down a 115 HP unit but it held it for 10 hrs while I was able to get to it.Corvette 1.jpgforum.conflictnations.com/inde…6e8e13f633d07e8d147ad4065forum.conflictnations.com/inde…6e8e13f633d07e8d147ad4065Corvette 2.jpg
      "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "

      aka ...The killer formerly known as BuckeyeChamp

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    • xovault wrote:

      Buckeyechamp wrote:

      Dude .. whittle down what. By this time only 4 real players and why in hells bells would US A byspass Asia and sail to Africa or Mideast?? Have you ever won a game?
      Whittle down your navy man. It'ss spread out over numerous multiple points so it's easier to chip away at.
      Plenty of reasons why US would need to sail westwards. Maybe not if only 4 players left but was commenting on your setup in general.
      You realize every point is a near full stack, I have visibility with naval patrol out hrs ahead and if someone came have supporting stacks 1 spot away. you dont stack 20 units in one point and then have 5 paths available to your homeland.

      Trust me I fought and beat two countries at same time and they actually had greater fire power. Naval tactics completely different than land warfare. And no reason for USA to sail across pacific as shorter to europe or Africa from atlantic. So yea yu would buy the "oh Im not going to attack you...Im just passing half my navy / army through your back yard...lol" At this point 1 big 3 man Europe coalition; big 3 man Americas coalition and me. And I won.

      Sunk probably 40 transports; 2 Aircraft carriers; 4 subs including a Sub officer; 4 or 5 Cruisers before they retreated.
      "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "

      aka ...The killer formerly known as BuckeyeChamp

    • Kalrakh wrote:

      Any serious attacker will not be stopped by a lowly corv anyway
      I think the game Day matters. I'm not relying on single Corvettes to defend my homeland on Day 10+ or anything. But on Day 3 or 4? Sure. Some people may try to invade without ships or without more than one warship that early in the game. Also, there are "non-serious attackers" from time to time. I cannot possibly count the number of times some doofus with hurt feelings sent a big tranport stack across an ocean toward of my homeland ports just to get some sort of revenge after it's clear they're going to lose. One of my port Corvettes just took out a 19-stack revenge convoy in a very recent game, in fact.

      But you're correct, obviously, "have Corvettes as my primary homeland defense force" is not my general end game plan of action.

    • PerigeeNil wrote:

      Kalrakh wrote:

      Any serious attacker will not be stopped by a lowly corv anyway
      I think the game Day matters. I'm not relying on single Corvettes to defend my homeland on Day 10+ or anything. But on Day 3 or 4? Sure. Some people may try to invade without ships or without more than one warship that early in the game. Also, there are "non-serious attackers" from time to time. I cannot possibly count the number of times some doofus with hurt feelings sent a big tranport stack across an ocean toward of my homeland ports just to get some sort of revenge after it's clear they're going to lose. One of my port Corvettes just took out a 19-stack revenge convoy in a very recent game, in fact.
      But you're correct, obviously, "have Corvettes as my primary homeland defense force" is not my general end game plan of action.
      I would also assume you would not annex a city this early in the game and part of the topic was defending annexed cities with a corv ;)

      Also a a 'spite invasion' is one of these not really serious things :)

    • Kalrakh wrote:

      I would also assume you would not annex a city this early in the game and part of the topic was defending annexed cities with a corv ;)
      Also a a 'spite invasion' is one of these not really serious things :)
      You're correct that I would not annex a city that early and defend it with a corvette. However, that's not quite what the original poster was saying they do either. They said they use corvettes to defend some occupied cities, which I explained I sometimes do too. The original poster then went on to say that they use stronger naval units to defend annexed cities.

      I'm like you, though, I don't often annex port cities. When/if I do, it's usually so I can build ships there (like, if I started out landlocked), so I would defend it with stronger warships (not Corvettes).