How about we start counting disadvantages and advantages?
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yeah the 8 weight is absurd. The reason probably because a 1 asf / 4 EAA stack just smashed SAMS and smiled back.
Stack damage should just be based on relative HP of stack. TBH till recently I didnt even now different types had different weights; just thought damage split by types in a stack.
But CoN logic generally counter intuitive; like counting units "type" strength when suppressing Insurgents when in reality only thing that should matter is soft damage."And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "
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OK, if and when you maxed out the EAAs you can make, and still have leftover resources (also accounting for the need to build airfields to make them useful), then it may be worth to make SFs. I do not think it'd be early game, though, with the current low resource games. And it seems to me that your calculus neglected that EAAs kill a lot more than SFs, so overall it could be more efficient to wait a couple of days for 5 more EAAs (while saving up) than to spend on 5 SFs instead.
KFGauss wrote:
If you want 10 non-ASF fighters early in a game, SF are worth making, because you're limited to 5 EAA.
But I cannot see what good it would do to stack them together.Commander Zozo001
humble player -
This is exact thing playing with on a flashpoint 4x (which hate but just wanted quick experiment). Day 7 will be max 5 by day 8 then switch to SF. EAAs still alot of early fire power. Thing is cant unlock 5 more EAA till day 16 so thats a big gap; fill in with SF from day 8 to 16. By day 16 I usually have moe rss than can spend due to expansion.
Zozo001 wrote:
OK, if and when you maxed out the EAAs you can make, and still have leftover resources (also accounting for the need to build airfields to make them useful), then it may be worth to make SFs. I do not think it'd be early game, though, with the current low resource games. And it seems to me that your calculus neglected that EAAs kill a lot more than SFs, so overall it could be more efficient to wait a couple of days for 5 more EAAs (while saving up) than to spend on 5 SFs instead.KFGauss wrote:
If you want 10 non-ASF fighters early in a game, SF are worth making, because you're limited to 5 EAA.
But I cannot see what good it would do to stack them together.
With EAAS have been adv researching ASFs. This game will go SF tree and Euro Doc can get level 4 SF by day 9 to unlock lvl2 EAA."And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "
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Suppose it's day 8? and I own 5 EAA and 3 SF.
Zozo001 wrote:
. . .KFGauss wrote:
If you want 10 non-ASF fighters early in a game, SF are worth making, because you're limited to 5 EAA.
But I cannot see what good it would do to stack them together.
Suppose two of my EAA are busy elsewhere and I want to hit a stack that can be killed by 3.5 EAA.
Since I only have three EAA available, I send a stack of 3 EAA plus 2 SF.
I one-shot-kill the target. The 3 EAA absorb most of the defense damage.
Without the SF the EAA would have absorbed ALL the defense damage, and probably would have had to fight (and be damaged) twice.
So long as required-speed, and distance-to-target allow using EAA, why wouldn't I combine my EAA and SF in that situation? What's the downside?
Edit - Pale R mentions that adding SF adds radar to the stack, and once missiles are in play the SF can launch missiles at targets of opportunity or at the mission's primary target to soften it up. -
Plus EAAs have no radar or missiles.
KFGauss wrote:
Why wouldn't I combine my EAA and SF in that situation? What's the downside?
Might even play with a 1 ASF/2 EAA/2 SF stack (would be about 30 -35 hp hard and soft) and a 1 ASF/3 EAA/1 SF stack ( 35 - 40 hp). Its actually best to kill with least amount of force needed; while minimizing damage taken."And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him "
aka ...The killer formerly known as BuckeyeChamp -
ASF does the same, ofc.
KFGauss wrote:
Edit - Pale R mentions that adding SF adds radar to the stack, and once missiles are in play the SF can launch missiles at targets of opportunity or at the mission's primary target to soften it up.
Commander Zozo001
humble player -
Sure - There's more than one reason why I wrote "If you want some ASF, build them too.", earlier.
Zozo001 wrote:
ASF does the same, ofc.KFGauss wrote:
Edit - Pale R mentions that adding SF adds radar to the stack, and once missiles are in play the SF can launch missiles at targets of opportunity or at the mission's primary target to soften it up.
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My original question still stands: why would one want SF rather than ASF,
KFGauss wrote:
"If you want some ASF, build them too [i.e. besides SF]."
particularly in the context of damage distribution for EAA stacks?Commander Zozo001
humble player -
Me looking at this thread:
My brain.
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I get the idea of weight now
And why I need SF because I need something to lower the damage
Btw I can't find units weight is that because I use mobile ver? -
Like I said, ASF serves this purpose much better than SF, 3.5 weight vs. 1.5.
bloodysong wrote:
And why I need SF because I need something to lower the damage
CON does not show the unit weights (unfortunately), but playbabe's doc has them
<docs.google.com/document/d/1uk…hXv_H3r_P-i-yeFP29GcLxxY/>.Commander Zozo001
humble player -
I get the idea thnx for the file
So now if I want full attack forces that 1 EAA + 4 SF And EAA hp will help balancing the damage
Or use EAA and lose some here and there
Or plan B in western country is ASF + EAA and get bomber for long range and clean -
Folks - I've searched my butt off, and for the life of me I can't find the recent thread/posts that held the damage distribution weights for most/all units.
I think the thread also had a few comments about the EAA's unusually high Damage Distribution Weight..
Does anyone remember the thread title or can anyone find it now?
I'd appreciate and answer here or on my wall. -
I think EAA’s damage diestribution is now 8 or sth
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Just above this, I posted:
KFGauss wrote:
... damage distribution weights for most/all units. ...
I think the thread also had a few comments about the EAA's unusually high Damage Distribution Weight.
playbabe's doc has them
<docs.google.com/document/d/1uk…hXv_H3r_P-i-yeFP29GcLxxY/
But that does not have EAA, nor do I recall seeing any actual weights (aside from talking about them as high) mentioned in the posts around here...Commander Zozo001
humble player -
I don't see why the game can't just tell you the damage distribution, to be honest. Something like this:
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It doesn’t go by percentage btw… and also to add that extra buff for people who actually understand the game.
Gives them an advantage when it comes to battle cause their units last longer
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