If the insurgent numbers are so high, you somehow lowered the morale really low, and this game has been going on for a long time. And insurgents can inflict heavy casualties on even US rangers. Look at the battle of Mogadishu.

use amphibious vehicle/CRV + Marines against unsurgents. I use also 4 gunship helicopter.
Also the war against IS in Iraq is very hard for the allied forces.

I try to never ignore the Rogue provinces, my stack of 5 gunships keeps 'em whittled down. This is another reason why we need a MOAB, like 5 conventional warheads to build one. Only heavy bombers could deploy.

If they get that big, I just send a couple chemical CMs, but I've never encountered a stack that big (the biggest I've seen is 15).

Suggest you log it as a bug, 100 rouge units? That is not correct..

Hi Bohemianation,
As with every thread about assumed bugs etc. we always require to state gameID, in-game name and a screenshot, but since I was following your case for a while and I have some.
I viewed your games and couldn't find any massive stack of insurgents in any of them. The biggest I have found was 5 (and there was only a single one like that) and a 4 (only one as well), rest of them was just single insurgent in a stack, here in there. I assume that you're referring to stacks of insurgents with 120 and 131 HP. (that would be stack of 4 and stack of 5 respectively) The maths add up there, and from what I see, that situation is entirely possible. I won't go into very specific details how this happened, but essentially, bombarding cities to 7% morale won't really help. I might suggest using helicopters or Naval Infantry to eliminate insurgents without pounding city morale to ashes. I have contacted you previously on that matter and still waiting for a response

Yes, it looks like a "necrosed" situation.

Basically, the more you let ISIS grow, the worst it becomes :D.

In fact, i nearly regret that insurgents don't get equipment and become agressive with the days passing without the civilised nations acting

In what way have the ruined the game? By making you need to manage more than just advancing?

Insurgents are easy to handle mate, wanna know how? 3 Heli gunships, simple.

3/1 Advantage, and gunships will just rip through them. No need to upgrade them either, 3 level 1s will sure do the job.



More advice? I should charge consultation fee's for this.

AI = Slow advance and tackle Insurgents as you advance
Player = Fast Advance and forget about Insurgents until you have defeated your human opponent. ( Course exceptions for airbases and air corridors etc)

We have identified the occupied provinces of aggressive player nations as the main culprit of the recent insurgency renaissance.
What happened was that due to the negative morale modifiers the insurgency chance in provinces became increasingly high - up to a 20% max.
If you do the math and consider that some players had dozens of provinces on very low morale (smaller 10) the resulting surge in insurgencies is explicable (but not fun).

To correct this situation we adjusted the max spawn rate to 1 insurgent per insurgency event (used to be 3).
We also changed the target morale for provinces and reduced the war penalty accordingly.
Additionally we today capped the spawn chance of insurgents to max 3% in provinces and 50% in cities.
So no matter how bad you now behave, the chances will not go below/beyond these values.

This shifts the insurgency emphasis back into the realm of the cities, where we wanted them to be in the first place.
Additionally we are planning to make insurgents mobile in a future update - albeit only on new maps where the situation can to be contained by players from day 1 (otherwise maps would experience an insurgycalypse).

//G

I would look forward to a "insurgycalypse" myself, it would be like some cleric tells all the muslims to rise up and they actually do.

Would only be good if you were doing a RP. Not if you were trying to take over the world

A group of insurgents should not be able to hold out against one good player unit. Then please allow me the question: If not - why have them in the first place?

Insurgents are not a ragtag bunch of hooligans. They usually consist of former military who cannot accept defeat or simply see no other alternative, yet still have their network and access to military grade weapons.

Now this doesn't mean we want to spam you with insurgents till kingdom come. That's why we rebalanced the spawn rates and it should have become noticeably better.

//G

There are too many stacking penalties that cause insurgents , at war with 1 or more nations and civilian casualties add up fast , even while killing 1 npc nation at a time the civilian casualties stack up , at +4 penalty it takes 3 days before you can leave a city unguarded and move on to the next target.

I think it would go a long way if the civilian penalty dropped by -1 every day.
This way, the penalty will be high for a week or so after each big battle. But it wont linger on forever.
Sort of a win for both sides of the debate.

They say it does drop off. If this is true, it drops off by such a small amount that it can't be observed within a 30 day time frame.

Its not that damn hard, just have a pair of heli gunships and your laughing. I love having them in the game, they add a bit of diversity and make you have to manage moral etc.

Just learn to handle them, they are not that difficult!