Do support units count as hard or soft targets?

Eulogi · Jun 18th 2018, 1:26pm

Do support units count as hard or soft targets? Also what determines what gets hit first in a stack? I notice if I put a sam with my units my sams take all the damage first in regular combat. What is the order of targets if you have inf, tank, td, afv, aa, art, tds?

Thanks

Kalrakh · Jun 18th 2018, 2:03pm

Most are armored units. You see it at a symbol near their name in the unit description.

The order seems to be random, perhaps they prefer they main type, not sure.

Germanico · Jun 18th 2018, 2:08pm

In effect only the towed Arty is soft. Essentially as soon as you have some form of armor around you it counts as hard (even the mlrs are lightly armored).

//G

Eulogi · Jun 19th 2018, 2:28am

What determines what gets hit first in a stack? I notice if I put a sam with my units my sams take all the damage first in regular combat. What is the order of targets if you have inf, tank, td, afv, aa, art, tds?

Germanico · Jun 19th 2018, 8:38am

This you need to find out by yourself, sorry.

JohnFKennedy · Oct 12th 2022, 3:24pm

This can help a bit

Eulogi wrote:

What determines what gets hit first in a stack? I notice if I put a sam with my units my sams take all the damage first in regular combat. What is the order of targets if you have inf, tank, td, afv, aa, art, tds?

Damage Distribution Weight

KFGauss · Oct 12th 2022, 7:28pm

Here's the explanations and data from the Oct 12, 2022, version of the spreadsheet at the URL JFK included in his post immediately above.

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Aside from RNG, each unit has its own weight value that dictates how much damage it would absorb from other units stacked together.

Example; A stack with 1 Naval ASF and 4 Strike Fighter.

Units
1x Naval ASF
4x Strike Fighter

Weights
1 x 5.00 = 5, and 4 x 1.50 = 6
5 + 6 = 11
Now incoming damage will be segmented into 11 parts, 5 go to Naval ASF and 6 go to Strike Fighter

Unit 1x Naval ASF 4x Strike Fighter
Damage:
100% x (5 / 11) = 45.45%
100% x (6 / 11) = 54.54%

So in theory; the 1 Naval ASF in this stack will take 45.45%, and the 4 SF will take 54.54% of incoming damage.

Ground units
ⓘ Note that a stand alone unit such as missiles is pointless to know the weight, same goes to transport truck & grounded aircraft since they can only stack with themselves so they will always have the same weight.

Unit Weight
Mot Infantry 1.35
Combat Recon Vehicle 2.50
Mechanized Infantry 1.25
Armor Fighting Vehicle 2.50
Marine Infantry 1.00
Amphibious Combat Vehicle 2.50
Airborne Infantry 1.00
Main Battle Tank 2.75
Special Forces 0.50
Tank Destroyer 2.75
National Guard 1.25
Towed Artillery 3.00
Infantry Officer 1.00
Mobile Artillery 2.00
Airborne Officer 1.00
Multiple Rocket Launcher 3.00
Tank Officer 1.00
Mobile AA 3.00
SAM 3.00
Elite MBT 2.75
TDS 3.00
Elite Railgun 2.50
Mobile Radar 2.50
Elite UGV 1.50
ICBM Launcher 1.00
BM Launcher 1.00
CM Launcher 1.00

Air units

Unit Weight
Air Superiority Fighter 3.50
Helicopter Gunship 3.00
Naval Air Superiority Fighter 5.00
Attack Helicopter 2.00
Stealth Air Superiority Fighter 1.50
ASW Helicopter 1.50
Strike Fighter 1.50
Naval Strike Fighter 1.50
Rotary Wing Officer 1.00
Stealth Strike Fighter 0.50
Fixed Wing Officer 1.00
UAV 0.50
Naval Patrol Aircraft 2.00
Elite Attack Helicopter 1.50
AWACS 2.00
Elite Bomber 1.50
Naval AWACS 2.00
Elite Strike Fighter 1.00
Heavy Bomber 1.50
Stealth Bomber 0.50

Naval units

Unit Weight
Corvette 3.50
Attack Submarine 1.50
Frigate 3.00
Missiles Submarine 0.50
Destroyer 2.50
Cruiser 1.50
Naval Officer 1.00
Aircraft Carrier 1.00
Submarine Commander 1.00
Elite AIP Submarine 1.00
Transport Ship 0.5

KoopKoopyGuy · Oct 12th 2022, 11:01pm

I thought this thread was dead??

KFGauss · Oct 12th 2022, 11:09pm

KoopKoopyGuy wrote:

I thought this thread was dead??

That's a frequent misconception among internet-users. Useful knowledge/information doesn't die.

The world doesn't begin anew with each new day.

The Pale Rider · Oct 12th 2022, 11:19pm

KoopKoopyGuy wrote:

I thought this thread was dead??

Not sure why you think lately you are judge of threads status. As a new poster maybe read more than write.

KoopKoopyGuy · Oct 13th 2022, 6:47pm

The Pale Rider wrote:

KoopKoopyGuy wrote:

I thought this thread was dead??

Not sure why you think lately you are judge of threads status. As a new poster maybe read more than write.

I mean.. this thread has been dead for almost 4 years, it's just surprising though.

JohnFKennedy · Oct 14th 2022, 6:50pm

KoopKoopyGuy wrote:

I thought this thread was dead??

I resurrected it. Lol.
I was just searching for info when I stumbled upon this. I immidiately posted the link and then found out that this is 4 years old.

KFGauss · Oct 14th 2022, 7:12pm

Look at it this way guys - No matter what irrelevant mindset anyone tries to tell you to use, this thread was/is neither dead nor resurrected - It simply *exists*.

JohnFKennedy · Oct 16th 2022, 6:12am

KFGauss wrote:

Look at it this way guys - No matter what irrelevant mindset anyone tries to tell you to use, this thread was/is neither dead nor resurrected - It simply *exists*.

Lmao ok. I just used his mindset

The Pale Rider · Oct 16th 2022, 3:54pm

KFGauss wrote:

Look at it this way guys - No matter what irrelevant mindset anyone tries to tell you to use, this thread was/is neither dead nor resurrected - It simply *exists*.

JohnFKennedy wrote:

KFGauss wrote:

Look at it this way guys - No matter what irrelevant mindset anyone tries to tell you to use, this thread was/is neither dead nor resurrected - It simply *exists*.

Lmao ok. I just used his mindset

Funny...Someone liked a post I had like 3 years ago and was pretty enlightening revisiting the thread and see how my game style / philosophy has changed over the years. It was still sound advice of course

But would never think of playing that way again.

In this game; you don't know what you don't know. Except latest batch of noobs who jump on Forum throwing "expert advice" after a handful of games and a month on forum.

JohnFKennedy · Oct 16th 2022, 6:08pm

The Pale Rider wrote:

Except latest batch of noobs who jump on Forum throwing "expert advice" after a handful of games and a month on forum.

Wait I just quoted a google doc from one of u generals, that doc doesnt belong to me. I know myself that I am too inexperienced to make my own ansewr. If u notice more u can actually see that I usually just ask questions and wait for answers.

The Pale Rider · Oct 16th 2022, 6:14pm

JohnFKennedy wrote:

The Pale Rider wrote:

Except latest batch of noobs who jump on Forum throwing "expert advice" after a handful of games and a month on forum.

Wait I just quoted a google doc from one of u generals, that doc doesnt belong to me. I know myself that I am too inexperienced to make my own ansewr. If u notice more u can actually see that I usually just ask questions and wait for answers.

wasnt referring to you.

xXWolfXx · Oct 17th 2022, 2:29pm

KF revived a 4 year old post lol

KFGauss · Oct 17th 2022, 7:58pm

xXWolfXx wrote:

KF revived a 4 year old post lol

Actually it was JFK - But once JFK did it, I knew that I would want to be able to see the Google Spreadsheet info without having to follow the link JFK gave us, so I added the text version.

Bravo to JFK for finding an existing useful place to put recent additional info, instead of spamming out an overlapping new thread.

Frowny faces to Koop (and me) for putting a "Thread was dead" distraction after a useful mini-conversation about damage distribution.

I'd be perfectly happy to see this and everything else after the damage distribution info deleted.

JohnFKennedy · Oct 19th 2022, 2:18pm

The Pale Rider wrote:

JohnFKennedy wrote:

The Pale Rider wrote:

Except latest batch of noobs who jump on Forum throwing "expert advice" after a handful of games and a month on forum.

Wait I just quoted a google doc from one of u generals, that doc doesnt belong to me. I know myself that I am too inexperienced to make my own ansewr. If u notice more u can actually see that I usually just ask questions and wait for answers.

wasnt referring to you.

KFGauss wrote:

KoopKoopyGuy likes this.

Okay

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