Units need more component upkeep

Kalrakh · Jul 20th 2018, 12:11pm

I like to play the Air Assault combo, but playing it I kind of wreck my own economy, because the high upkeep of supply makes it hard to produce my mine units while I suffer of a overabundance of components.

Towed artillery, built with supply and electronics, upkeep: supply
AA-guns, built with supply and components, upkeep: supply
SAMs, built with supply and electronics, upkeep: supply
Airborne infantry, built with components and electronics, upkeep: supply
Armored recon, built with supply and components, upkeep: supply
Air superiority, built with components and supply, upkeep: electronics

Even though some of those units are mostly need components to be built, they don't consume components as upkeep, therefore wrecking your supply production.

In the end Airborne are the only units, which I can steadily produce, but they would only wreck my supply prodcution even more.

mccarty.geoff · Jul 20th 2018, 1:57pm

I agree except for using electronics as an upkeep resource. Supply and fuel should be the only two unit upkeeps. They would naturally be in much higher proportions to the build resources; componenets, electronics, and rares. Strategically this will allow the player to understand his daily upkeep requirement versus unit build potential alot better. While buildings should have their upkeep requirements in those 'durable' less common varieties. Money of course being required by everything.

Kalrakh · Jul 20th 2018, 2:29pm

This would be my logical of supply types:

Supply = food and ammunition
Component = low tech repair
Oil = fuel
Electronics = high tech repair
manpower = workpower used for maintenance/replacement of lost troops

So I don't think only Supply and fuel should be used, but I think upkeep should be moe similar to build cost regarding supply, components and electronics.

ross222 · Jul 20th 2018, 2:39pm

i never have problem with components being over abundent it normaly the other way around for me i personelly think fine the way it is and i also notice you rely mostly on stuff that use only supplies if you biuld tanks you would use more of the components

Kalrakh · Jul 20th 2018, 2:51pm

Tanks are obvously pretty useless for an air assault playstyle.

Germanico · Jul 20th 2018, 3:47pm

Heavily Armored Units such as MBT, AFV, TD and Ships = Component Upkeep
High Tech Units such as Aircraft and Subs = Electronics Upkeep
Rest = Supplies

All units use Fuel except for Subs which later rely on fuel cell or nuclear power.

ross222 · Jul 20th 2018, 3:48pm

i know but hes stating that he has more components then supplies i was stating that if he wasnt using air assault play style and leaned toward tanks he would proably lean the other way around on what he ran out off

Kalrakh · Jul 20th 2018, 4:17pm

Amored Recon is considered tank unit and same goes for most support, they still only use supply.

From 7 units that offer Air Assault only one unit does not need supply as ubkeep: Tank Destroyer
Airborne and Special Forces are built with components but still have supply as upkeep.

If you go mobile artillery you most likely will built some tanks to as meat shield, so upkeep will even out a bit better.

If you go with tanks as main force you will still need infantry to conquer.
Same goes goes for ships.

Germanico · Jul 20th 2018, 4:51pm

Armored Recon is not Heavy - same as Support units.

We deliberately balanced our units this way - and are quite happy with the result.

Opulon · Jul 20th 2018, 4:52pm

I agree with Kalrakh. To add a bit of component upkeep would help to equalise a bit

mccarty.geoff · Jul 20th 2018, 7:06pm

I think minature changes to any aspect of the resource system would require rebalancing all others. If the work load isn't worth the envisioned benefit than we're probably not going to influence anything. As it stands, S14 has achieved a much greater level of balance. Followed by CoW then this fresh subject which feels like I'm playing some sort of a JRPG with one million yen pricetags on wooden swords. Frankly, resource values (TIME, units, buildings, and provinces) should be perfectly balanced and overhauled in stark contrast to CoW to signify this as a unique improved system. That is the inevitable outcome which the scripters cannot hide from; mwahahaha.

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