Overall, there seems to be a clouding of the distinction between activity and skill. To clarify the dichotomy in application to the question, 4X only appears to require less skill because activity is more of a factor for a set amount of real time to be active across both gamespeeds. In reality, for equal amounts of game time, the same amount of skill is required, only activity is indeed a significantly more important factor. I plan on expanding on this concept regarding the relative shifts in strategic gameplay approach required across the two game modes.
The Tortoise and the Hare
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PerigeeNil wrote:
Yesterday a comment was made that 1x games are more skill-based than 4x games. I honestly never play 1x games, and the very few times that I have, I either didn't know what I was doing yet or I didn't try very hard. So, I honestly don't know if the skill claim is valid or not. I'm interested enough to check it out, though. So, today I joined a 1x WWIII game.
WWIII is what I'm used to playing so I wanted to rule out the variable of a difference in maps. I picked my favorite country (India), because I'm very familiar with them, so it will be a good basis for comparison (how India "feels to me" in 1x rather than 4x).
Obviously, because this is a 1x game, it's going to take forever and a day before I have any results. So, in the meantime, does anyone have any thoughts on this? Do you think a 1x game requires more skill than a 4x game? If so or if not, why? I'm actually more interested in why you think what you think.
I am the best player of this game that was and ever will be -
GoldenGuy wrote:
PerigeeNil wrote:
Yesterday a comment was made that 1x games are more skill-based than 4x games. I honestly never play 1x games, and the very few times that I have, I either didn't know what I was doing yet or I didn't try very hard. So, I honestly don't know if the skill claim is valid or not. I'm interested enough to check it out, though. So, today I joined a 1x WWIII game.
WWIII is what I'm used to playing so I wanted to rule out the variable of a difference in maps. I picked my favorite country (India), because I'm very familiar with them, so it will be a good basis for comparison (how India "feels to me" in 1x rather than 4x).
Obviously, because this is a 1x game, it's going to take forever and a day before I have any results. So, in the meantime, does anyone have any thoughts on this? Do you think a 1x game requires more skill than a 4x game? If so or if not, why? I'm actually more interested in why you think what you think.
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1X vs 4X case study coming soon - scheduled for late February early March.
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PerigeeNil wrote:
Buckeyechamp wrote:
4 x has less margin for error..
just for one mistake. I also skipped college but that's a side effect. -
1x gives you more time to plan ahead and use all these timing based things like AA-tick and others, also it is much harder to abuse the absence of the other sides, because you will progress much slower, giving them time to return and counteract
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Kalrakh wrote:
1x gives you more time to plan ahead and use all these timing based things like AA-tick and others, also it is much harder to abuse the absence of the other sides, because you will progress much slower, giving them time to return and counteract
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I consider it much harder to set patrol properly if you have a time window of only 2,5 min, even more if you might have a moving target, so it would need constant adjustments.
I do not even want to imagine trying to pierce and AA-bubble in 4x speed, though I am naturally for a slow person, that is why I suck in RTS and FPS but are great in turn based.
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Kalrakh wrote:
I consider it much harder to set patrol properly if you have a time window of only 2,5 min, even more if you might have a moving target, so it would need constant adjustments.
I do not even want to imagine trying to pierce and AA-bubble in 4x speed, though I am naturally for a slow person, that is why I suck in RTS and FPS but are great in turn based.
So in the end it is also a matter of taste.
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never playing X4 again just started one in day 1 I went off for 2 hours to find 12 infantry attacking my capital...
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abdul_the_brave wrote:
never playing X4 again just started one in day 1 I went off for 2 hours to find 12 infantry attacking my capital...
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Stratieon wrote:
abdul_the_brave wrote:
never playing X4 again just started one in day 1 I went off for 2 hours to find 12 infantry attacking my capital...
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abdul_the_brave wrote:
Stratieon wrote:
abdul_the_brave wrote:
never playing X4 again just started one in day 1 I went off for 2 hours to find 12 infantry attacking my capital...
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the entire day? I literally was out for 1 hour or 2
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abdul_the_brave wrote:
the entire day? I literally was out for 1 hour or 2
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1-2 hours translates already into 4-8 hours ingame, quite a lot time, even more in the messy early phase
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Kalrakh wrote:
1-2 hours translates already into 4-8 hours ingame, quite a lot time, even more in the messy early phase
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Stratieon wrote:
abdul_the_brave wrote:
Stratieon wrote:
abdul_the_brave wrote:
never playing X4 again just started one in day 1 I went off for 2 hours to find 12 infantry attacking my capital...
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PerigeeNil wrote:
Stratieon wrote:
abdul_the_brave wrote:
Stratieon wrote:
abdul_the_brave wrote:
never playing X4 again just started one in day 1 I went off for 2 hours to find 12 infantry attacking my capital...
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PerigeeNil wrote:
Alright, we might be overemphasizing the need for presence in a 4x game a LITTLE bit. I play almost nothing but 4x, and I am certainly out of the game for more than 1 or 2 hours at a time all the time (including on the first day). I'm about to finish my 3rd randomed 4x game (it will be posted under that thread later tonight) and I've come in 1st place in 2 out of the 3 games I've finished under that account. I DO have constant ACCESS to my computer, so I can check in periodically and often most of the time (but I still eat, sleep, shower, date, work, etc.), but it's not QUITE as demanding as I think you folks are making it sound. I always have multiple 4x games going, so I'm obviously not in all of them all the time. I will say, however, that there's almost never a morning when I check in and someone hasn't attacked me overnight (more than an entire game day of time).