Anyone besides me annoyed by "Hey He's Making Chemical/Nuclear Weapons Over Here!!!" Announcements in the paper?

Dealer of Death · May 12th 2020, 12:47pm

I think it's really crappy that anyone starting a chemical weapons program or nuke program gets it announced in the Newspaper. A country could start researching chem weapons in a basement and think how sucessfully the Manhattan Project was kept under wraps. Now I fully support the announcement of when a Nuke program is COMPLETED, because likely that has to be verified by actually exploding a nuclear bomb, but initiation of these programs shouldn't be announced in the paper.

Anyone else agree?

Teburu · May 12th 2020, 1:12pm

not really

Pafufu · May 12th 2020, 1:22pm

The Manhattan project might have been kept under wraps to the general populace, but American adversaries were well aware of it and the Soviets were even able to steal secrets from it.

I think in the age of information it makes sense that the beginning of these programs is announced by whistleblowers.

Dealer of Death · May 12th 2020, 1:46pm

Where's the Thumbs down button?

737373elj · May 12th 2020, 2:13pm

They removed it a long time ago remember? ~~to prevent thumbs down on features users don't like~~ jkjk JK! Hey no it was a joke don't ban my--
*bloop*

Teburu · May 12th 2020, 2:17pm

BANNED

Germanico · May 12th 2020, 2:32pm

we deliberately have it there - to allow others to react. From a game perspective this is important and also realistic in a way - after all most/all nations working on WMDs get their whistle blown...

Dealer of Death · May 12th 2020, 4:11pm

737373elj wrote:

They removed it a long time ago remember? ~~to prevent thumbs down on features users don't like~~ jkjk JK! Hey no it was a joke don't ban my--
*bloop*

Um, I was joking, I never knew there was one.

Dealer of Death · May 12th 2020, 4:14pm

Germanico wrote:

we deliberately have it there - to allow others to react. From a game perspective this is important and also realistic in a way - after all most/all nations working on WMDs get their whistle blown...

Doesn't seem realistic to me having worked at Ft. Detrick, I'm very familiar with what can go on completely unknown to the world.

Pafufu · May 12th 2020, 4:21pm

Dealer of Death wrote:

Germanico wrote:

we deliberately have it there - to allow others to react. From a game perspective this is important and also realistic in a way - after all most/all nations working on WMDs get their whistle blown...

Doesn't seem realistic to me having worked at Ft. Detrick, I'm very familiar with what can go on completely unknown to the world.

Very good point.
Perhaps instead of removing the newspaper whistle-blowing, there are counter-measures that can be taken to prevent it? For instance the homeland defense intelligence operatives.

Teburu · May 12th 2020, 4:24pm

well the point here is that ICBMs pose a significant thread because of their range and dmg

so a warning that someone is heading that direction is kinda needed

Dealer of Death · May 12th 2020, 7:10pm

Teburu wrote:

well the point here is that ICBMs pose a significant thread because of their range and dmg
so a warning that someone is heading that direction is kinda needed

Like I said, I think it's very realistic to announce completion of a nuke program, but not initiating one. And that it seems more "fair" shouldn't figure into it at all.

booombooom · May 12th 2020, 8:40pm

Dealer of Death wrote:

I think it's really crappy that anyone starting a chemical weapons program or nuke program gets it announced in the Newspaper. A country could start researching chem weapons in a basement and think how sucessfully the Manhattan Project was kept under wraps. Now I fully support the announcement of when a Nuke program is COMPLETED, because likely that has to be verified by actually exploding a nuclear bomb, but initiation of these programs shouldn't be announced in the paper.

Anyone else agree?

Dealer of Death wrote:

Teburu wrote:

well the point here is that ICBMs pose a significant thread because of their range and dmg
so a warning that someone is heading that direction is kinda needed

Like I said, I think it's very realistic to announce completion of a nuke program, but not initiating one. And that it seems more "fair" shouldn't figure into it at all.

I do agree. :evil:

737373elj · May 13th 2020, 2:07am

Dealer of Death wrote:

737373elj wrote:

They removed it a long time ago remember? ~~to prevent thumbs down on features users don't like~~ jkjk JK! Hey no it was a joke don't ban my--
*bloop*

Um, I was joking, I never knew there was one.

If you look at some of Oceanhawk’s old, old posts, you can actually see negative reaction scores

Also I got unbanned.
There ain’t really much to contribute to this thread, because all the points have been said already, but I believe that the alert should be kept. Nuclear/chemical creation is really dangerous and should automatically be known so the players have time to react. Eg in some of my games, there was the alert in the newspaper, so my coalition immediately targeted him before it could go out of hand.
It also makes sense realistically. No country has ever successfully kept their nuclear arsenal a secret. You need nuclear plants for nuclear weapons, and those are really obvious. Not even Israel denies it, everybody just knows they have nuclear weapons. Same with other countries like North Korea and etc.

Edit: the ban was a joke.

Edit 2: ok yes, the completion should give a notification, but not the initiation. cool?

Teburu · May 13th 2020, 2:09am

you got banned? what for?
being a likebot?

Dealer of Death · May 13th 2020, 2:59am

737373elj wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

737373elj wrote:

They removed it a long time ago remember? ~~to prevent thumbs down on features users don't like~~ jkjk JK! Hey no it was a joke don't ban my--
*bloop*

Um, I was joking, I never knew there was one.

If you look at some of Oceanhawk’s old, old posts, you can actually see negative reaction scores Also I got unbanned.
There ain’t really much to contribute to this thread, because all the points have been said already, but I believe that the alert should be kept. Nuclear/chemical creation is really dangerous and should automatically be known so the players have time to react. Eg in some of my games, there was the alert in the newspaper, so my coalition immediately targeted him before it could go out of hand.
It also makes sense realistically. No country has ever successfully kept their nuclear arsenal a secret. You need nuclear plants for nuclear weapons, and those are really obvious. Not even Israel denies it, everybody just knows they have nuclear weapons. Same with other countries like North Korea and etc.

Edit: the ban was a joke.

No, it's not realistic AT ALL. Like I said, YES, once the Nuke program is COMPLETED, there should be a notice, but the initiation, no way, that is completely unrealistic. I mean they built the first nuclear reactor under the bleachers in the stadium at the University of Chicago without anyone even knowing!

Pafufu · May 13th 2020, 3:23am

Perhaps they could compromise.
For instance, it’s difficult to keep a nuclear program under wraps, but not necessarily a chemical one. So perhaps as a compromise there is no early notification for chemical weapons research but there is for a nuclear program.

titankiller11 · May 15th 2020, 5:17am

i agree with dealer cause cmon this is technacly what happens

player1: reasearches nuclear missiles
new: LETS TELL THE WORLD!
player2: he is a threat i better take him out

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