Remove the War Morale Penalty for Insurgents

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    • Remove the War Morale Penalty for Insurgents

      At war with 6 countries, ... No, I'm at war with FIVE countries and some &*#$^ing terrorists!

      No way being at "war" with insurgents should carry the same penalty as being at war with a country. Insurgents aren't a country. Where's Insurgentica? Or Isurgentistan? Or the People's Republic of Insugentia?

      People of your country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists.

      Your citizens would WANT you to kill them.

      Get rid of it. NOW!
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      "Death comes to us all. Shall I deal you in?" - DoD
    • Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      "Going to war without France is like going hunting without an accordion." Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf
    • Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      Still not a country and shouldn't count as one, ... UNLESS you can show me where Insurgentataria is on the map. :D
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    • Dealer of Death wrote:

      Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      Still not a country and shouldn't count as one, ... UNLESS you can show me where Insurgentataria is on the map. :D
      It’s right there on the map. ISIS has its headquarters listed. Or was it Al-Qaeda? Can’t remember too well, but basically you can pinpoint Insurgentataria or whatever on the map.
    • 737373elj wrote:

      Dealer of Death wrote:

      Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      Still not a country and shouldn't count as one, ... UNLESS you can show me where Insurgentataria is on the map. :D
      It’s right there on the map. ISIS has its headquarters listed. Or was it Al-Qaeda? Can’t remember too well, but basically you can pinpoint Insurgentataria or whatever on the map.
      Do you know the meaning of the English word "country"? if not consult a dictionary or list their UN ambassador's name.
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      "Death comes to us all. Shall I deal you in?" - DoD
    • Dealer of Death wrote:

      737373elj wrote:

      Dealer of Death wrote:

      Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      Still not a country and shouldn't count as one, ... UNLESS you can show me where Insurgentataria is on the map. :D
      It’s right there on the map. ISIS has its headquarters listed. Or was it Al-Qaeda? Can’t remember too well, but basically you can pinpoint Insurgentataria or whatever on the map.
      Do you know the meaning of the English word "country"? if not consult a dictionary or list their UN ambassador's name.
      I believe the point is that insurgents aren't a country, but the damage and fear they strike in the hearts of citizens is equivalent to it, so therefore the morale penalty is the same. I personally would keep the morale penalty, but lower it due to the lack of damage caused by insurgents (perhaps it can be raised if said insurgents occupy homeland territory.)
    • Pafufu wrote:

      Dealer of Death wrote:

      737373elj wrote:

      Dealer of Death wrote:

      Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      Still not a country and shouldn't count as one, ... UNLESS you can show me where Insurgentataria is on the map. :D
      It’s right there on the map. ISIS has its headquarters listed. Or was it Al-Qaeda? Can’t remember too well, but basically you can pinpoint Insurgentataria or whatever on the map.
      Do you know the meaning of the English word "country"? if not consult a dictionary or list their UN ambassador's name.
      I believe the point is that insurgents aren't a country, but the damage and fear they strike in the hearts of citizens is equivalent to it, so therefore the morale penalty is the same. I personally would keep the morale penalty, but lower it due to the lack of damage caused by insurgents (perhaps it can be raised if said insurgents occupy homeland territory.)
      NO, I believe the point is, there is an indicator that say "COUNTRIES" at war with. And since I was the one making the point, again, no.
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    • Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      You know, after reading this again, your first point doesn't make any sense. In afghan, iraq, et al it isn't conquering country getting penalized by morale by insurgency like in the game.
      Let me put it another way. My country takes over a foreign city. Sure, that will piss off the people there, and cause insurgencies, but MY people, of MY country should have a morale boost because of fighting terrorists, a patriotic backlash, not a penalty. My country and it's morale would increase from having to put down guerilla fighters who employ assymetrical warfare that impacts civillians more.
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      "Death comes to us all. Shall I deal you in?" - DoD
    • Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      I would put one of top and distingush the insurgents from the countries you are active in...so having rebels from different countries effects your moral really badly...
      Alle sagten: Das geht nicht. Dann kam einer, der wusste das nicht und hat es einfach gemacht.
    • kurtvonstein wrote:

      Germanico wrote:

      Tell this to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya. Ukraine, etc - I am sure they totally agree with the assumption that "a country should if anything get a morale boost from Patriotism for being at war with what would be viewed by the populace as nothing more than terrorists" ... if that was the case the nations below should be highly motivated and pumped full of morale.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_rebel_groups


      Sorry but no. We deliberately have this penalty and will not abolish it.

      //G
      I would put one of top and distingush the insurgents from the countries you are active in...so having rebels from different countries effects your moral really badly...
      They once tried that, with half a dozen different insurgents. Heard is was quite a mess.
      Guess DoD would have liked that even less.
    • "....but MY people, of MY country should have a morale boost because of fighting terrorists, a patriotic backlash, not a penalty"

      Yeah - that's why generally we've seen so many pro-war rallies and demonstrations of support for the army in the UK, US, France and all other nations embroiled in wars against insurgents ;) *sarcasm off

      I have said all there is to say from the dev's side about this. My participation in this thread ends here...
      "Going to war without France is like going hunting without an accordion." Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf