Allow Combat Outposts to train National Guard units

ArchStrategos · Aug 10th 2020, 3:45pm

The ability to train National Guard or "militia" units at combat outposts would give players who have lost their cities a chance to come back by their bootstraps.
Opposing players would experience greater realism with the threat of regional "militia" uprisings in uncontrolled territories.

This could be restricted to only level-3 outposts and produce only low health units if difficulty is desired.

Apologies if this has already been suggested, thank you for your time.

Bark Place · Aug 10th 2020, 5:35pm

tbh i think that might break the game i think that people would just build up combat outpost 3's and spam nat guard

playbabe · Aug 10th 2020, 5:58pm

Bark Place wrote:

tbh i think that might break the game i think that people would just build up combat outpost 3's and spam nat guard

i think it won't. building level 3 outpost going to cost ALOT resource and time then just level 1 recruiting office.

Bark Place · Aug 10th 2020, 7:19pm

yes i guess that's true, but you should be limited to only make units in cities, otherwise you can get a lot of units.

737373elj · Aug 11th 2020, 1:27am

I do believe it could be broken, especially later on in the game when you can swamp countries because you have a ton of resources. I can forsee the only viable strategy becoming NatGuard Zerg rush tactics late-game, as everybody has a ton of resources from expansion.

ArchStrategos · Aug 11th 2020, 3:32am

737373elj wrote:

I do believe it could be broken, especially later on in the game when you can swamp countries because you have a ton of resources. I can forsee the only viable strategy becoming NatGuard Zerg rush tactics late-game, as everybody has a ton of resources from expansion.

What if it were prohibitively expensive in terms of Manpower?

737373elj · Aug 11th 2020, 3:46am

National Guard is designed to be cheap. It would go against the entire idea for it to be expensive.
Come to think about it, somebody has already suggested the idea before.

ArchStrategos · Aug 11th 2020, 4:26am

737373elj wrote:

National Guard is designed to be cheap. It would go against the entire idea for it to be expensive.
Come to think about it, somebody has already suggested the idea before.

The price of training National Guard at Combat Outposts would be prohibitively expensive in Manpower, but National Guard in cities would cost the same as usual. Why was the idea discarded before?

737373elj · Aug 11th 2020, 5:01am

I can’t find the idea, so I can’t be sure. You can use the search function and maybe you would fare better

Fereyd · Aug 11th 2020, 10:41am

Basicly i like the Idea.
Nat.Guard is in fact some Kind of Militia and as we se, these are able to spawn nearly everywhere.
It would be a huge credit to realsim that they could be build in offside camps (lvl3 would be good, maybe invent lvl3+)

The badside is that in Lategame, people would ust this to create a zergling rush as737373elj is already expecting.
I´m not sure how to prevent this maybe limit the number of lvl3+ bases or give a time penalty to gather the militia there.

Conclusio: I like it, but it is nealy impossible to balance....

ArchStrategos · Aug 11th 2020, 8:00pm

Fereyd wrote:

The badside is that in Lategame, people would ust this to create a zergling rush as737373elj is already expecting.

I´m not sure how to prevent this maybe limit the number of lvl3+ bases or give a time penalty to gather the militia there.

Building National Guard from a level 3 Combat Outpost would cost much more Manpower (maybe 10-20k+) than building in a city (currently only 550 Manpower)

Teburu · Aug 11th 2020, 10:00pm

dont really see any viability of this except maybe the point about realism

if you have lost your cities, you're already fucked and a few national guard wont make any difference

Fereyd · Aug 11th 2020, 10:37pm

teburu is right.
if you play good, you will finish your opponent completely.
just to reduce the morale modifier.
a bunch of savages won´t change this

Teburu · Aug 11th 2020, 11:22pm

Fereyd wrote:

teburu is right.
if you play good, you will finish your opponent completely.
just to reduce the morale modifier.
a bunch of savages won´t change this

oh yeah this too, i was more talking as in: without any cities, exactly which ressources are you gonna invest?

737373elj · Aug 12th 2020, 1:03am

Teburu wrote:

Fereyd wrote:

teburu is right.
if you play good, you will finish your opponent completely.
just to reduce the morale modifier.
a bunch of savages won´t change this

oh yeah this too, i was more talking as in: without any cities, exactly which ressources are you gonna invest?

Late-game people will have a lot of resources stockpiled, you will definitely have some left over when all your cities are taken.
Besides, my main concern is the golders.

Allow Combat Outposts to train National Guard units

Allow Combat Outposts to train National Guard units

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