Game imagery is all white men, except insurgents. Not a woman anywhere :(

Dealer of Death · Nov 6th 2020, 11:12am

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

The English army ? I didn't understand

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Rozne Eltobliv · Nov 6th 2020, 11:19am

Dealer of Death wrote:

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

The English army ? I didn't understand

azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/adayinthelife.html

is this the Beatles song I didn't hear ?

737373elj · Nov 6th 2020, 12:03pm

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

The English army ? I didn't understand

azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/adayinthelife.html

is this the Beatles song I didn't hear ?

Don't worry I have never heard it either

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Gen. Grievous · Nov 7th 2020, 10:07am

This is such a stretch and non-issue...

Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 11:27am

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

The English army ? I didn't understand

azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/adayinthelife.html

is this the Beatles song I didn't hear ?

737373elj wrote:

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

Rozne Eltobliv wrote:

The English army ? I didn't understand

azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/adayinthelife.html

is this the Beatles song I didn't hear ?

Don't worry I have never heard it either

Rozne, how can I answer that? Only YOU know what you've heard or haven't heard.

Both, if you haven't, perhaps you should, and listen to the music compared to the electronic vomit they offer today.

Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 11:28am

Gen. Grievous wrote:

This is such a stretch and non-issue...

IKR, like those pictures figure so prominently in the game's immersion mechanics.

SomDi · Nov 7th 2020, 1:16pm

Everything's resolved now

Prometheus · Nov 7th 2020, 1:21pm

She brings up a valid point. Hopefully the developers are paying attention and will be more inclusive in the future.

Gen. Grievous · Nov 7th 2020, 5:12pm

They're tiny little unit icons. There's no genuine need for ''inclusiveness''

Brooklyn Babe · Nov 7th 2020, 8:58pm

Dealer of Death wrote:

Gen. Grievous wrote:

This is such a stretch and non-issue...

IKR, like those pictures figure so prominently in the game's immersion mechanics.

Gen. Grievous wrote:

They're tiny little unit icons. There's no genuine need for ''inclusiveness''

I was happy to let this thread fade away...

because of the thoughtful responses from @Germanico and @Opulon and supportive comments and likes from others (the latest being from @Prometheus. Thank you).

But because @Dealer of Death and @Gen. Grievous are just spewing ignorance or falsehood or both, I will make one final comment on this thread. I won't make any more than that because the people that really matter get it.

So @Dealer of Death and @Gen. Grievous are either:

Blind to it because they are white men who have never felt the oppressiveness of either sexism or racism in their life. If this game were made in China (e.g. TikTok) and all the imagery were Chinese soldiers, I'll bet they'd be turned off, maybe not even play the game, despite the game being the exact same game otherwise.
Dishonest / replying in bad faith because they don’t give a damn about the prevalence of sexism and racism in this world, or are possibly even proponents of it.

So let's go with facts instead of their lazy if not dishonest takes:

The one and only woman in the game is essentially a secretary:
Military_advisor_flipped.png
The only image with brown people are insurgents, “the bad guys”:
Terrorist_3_big.png
Yes, insurgents can be good guys (American revolutionaries, The French Resistance. Resistance to European and American imperialism), but we call them “the resistance” not “insurgents” (Oh snap! Those that resist American imperialism we call "insurgents", not "the resistance"). Note the filename of the above graphic is “Terrorist_3_big”.
All the other images are white men:
infantry.png

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230px-Soldierportrait.png 1592471333_news_images_17237.jpg

Even the more gainy images you see in the unit information pages are clearly white western soldiers.

So essentially the message conveyed, even if unintentional, is:

White men good. Brown men bad. Women serve men.

Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 10:47pm

Prometheus wrote:

She brings up a valid point. Hopefully the developers are paying attention and will be more inclusive in the future.

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Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 10:50pm

Brooklyn Babe wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

Gen. Grievous wrote:

This is such a stretch and non-issue...

IKR, like those pictures figure so prominently in the game's immersion mechanics.

Gen. Grievous wrote:

They're tiny little unit icons. There's no genuine need for ''inclusiveness''

I was happy to let this thread fade away...

because of the thoughtful responses from @Germanico and @Opulon and supportive comments and likes from others (the latest being from @Prometheus. Thank you).

But because @Dealer of Death and @Gen. Grievous are just spewing ignorance or falsehood or both, I will make one final comment on this thread. I won't make any more than that because the people that really matter get it.

So @Dealer of Death and @Gen. Grievous are either:

Blind to it because they are white men who have never felt the oppressiveness of either sexism or racism in their life. If this game were made in China (e.g. TikTok) and all the imagery were Chinese soldiers, I'll bet they'd be turned off, maybe not even play the game, despite the game being the exact same game otherwise.
Dishonest / replying in bad faith because they don’t give a damn about the prevalence of sexism and racism in this world, or are possibly even proponents of it.

So let's go with facts instead of their lazy if not dishonest takes:

The one and only woman in the game is essentially a secretary:
Military_advisor_flipped.png
The only image with brown people are insurgents, “the bad guys”:
Terrorist_3_big.png
Yes, insurgents can be good guys (American revolutionaries, The French Resistance. Resistance to European and American imperialism), but we call them “the resistance” not “insurgents” (Oh snap! Those that resist American imperialism we call "insurgents", not "the resistance"). Note the filename of the above graphic is “Terrorist_3_big”.
All the other images are white men:
infantry.png

1594989753_news_images_17498.png

1598264396_news_images_17655.png

1597743862_news_images_17612.jpg

230px-Soldierportrait.png 1592471333_news_images_17237.jpg

Even the more gainy images you see in the unit information pages are clearly white western soldiers.

So essentially the message conveyed, even if unintentional, is:

White men good. Brown men bad. Women serve men.

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Brooklyn Babe · Nov 7th 2020, 11:08pm

Yeah, thought so.

Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 11:10pm

You know, I was just going to let this inanity go, but I'm sick and tired of the professional victims getting to take the high road by wrapping themselves in victimhood and castigating those who disagree with them as having either defects of character or a disingenuity of conviction.

First of all, having been a member of the US Armed forces, I have experienced probably the most race blind, gender blind large societal situation possible on this earth, and you know what? While there was very little racial or gender discrimination there was still discrimination. Discrimination based on other things as immutable or natural as race or gender, such as beauty, or intelligence. It is human nature. BUT, obviously this is not what is the origin of why this "horror" of white men pictures is prevalent thru the game, Germanico said why they were like they are.

The fact that these pictures have almost nothing to do with game play, and that the pictures were scoured to provide examples replete with imagined discriminations, is ludicrous and indicative of a self centered frame of mind, especially considering how the pictures play almost no role in the game.

I, as I said earlier, I couldn't care less if they replaced all the pictures with stick figures, or Asian men as was suggested, or even aborigine women for as far as that goes, so don't assume for me. It is so unimportant, I can't believe I wasted my time, acknowledging this absolute ridiculousness.

Brooklyn Babe · Nov 7th 2020, 11:12pm

Oh and your president/fuhrer lost big time to a limp biscuit on Nov 3. So sad.

Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 11:14pm

Brooklyn Babe wrote:

Oh and your president/fuhrer lost big time to a limp biscuit on Nov 3. So sad.

My president? My President is whoever is elected, end of story.

Brooklyn Babe · Nov 7th 2020, 11:16pm

Dealer of Death wrote:

First of all, having been a member of the US Armed forces, I have experienced probably the most race blind, gender blind large societal situation possible on this earth, and you know what? While there was very little racial or gender discrimination there was still discrimination.

Only white men in the military believe that. But whatever. You live in your white male bubble. I can't fix that.

Brooklyn Babe · Nov 7th 2020, 11:17pm

I broke my promise of not posting on this again. My apologies everyone. I won't break it again.

Dealer of Death · Nov 7th 2020, 11:18pm

Brooklyn Babe wrote:

Dealer of Death wrote:

First of all, having been a member of the US Armed forces, I have experienced probably the most race blind, gender blind large societal situation possible on this earth, and you know what? While there was very little racial or gender discrimination there was still discrimination.

Only white men in the military believe that. But whatever. You live in your white male bubble. I can't fix that.

As evidenced, you have no idea what you are talking about. The military is the most egalitarian societal model you will find on this earth.

Rozne Eltobliv · Nov 8th 2020, 4:04am

SomDi wrote:

Everything's resolved now

I don't think so .

Game imagery is all white men, except insurgents. Not a woman anywhere :(

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